The Trial Lawyer's College Podcast

The Trial Lawyer's College talks to leading attorneys, TLC board members, and faculty about the ideas and the issues that are affecting trial lawyers today. The weekly podcast covers courtroom strategy, communicating with juries, connecting with clients, time management, personal habits that drive success, balancing healthy relationships with a busy practice and more.
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Nov 15, 2018

In this episode I talk with Nelson Tyrone, famed birth injury lawyer from Atlanta, Georgia, who graduated from TLC in 2000 and joined the faculty the year following. Nelson volcalizes his connections with birth injury and what makes what he does so rewarding. He also talks about how he uses psychodrama in his everyday life and in every case he takes. This episode is extremely powerful because while we were talking, Nelson used a fundamental TLC skill; vulnerability. I hope you enjoy this conversation and keep listening to our episodes.

Oct 25, 2018

In this interview, we have a very special guest joining, Missouri Public Defender Laura O'Sullivan. Laura attended her first TLC course in 1998 and came back in 2009 for In Defense of the Damned, TLC's criminal defense program, and joined the faculty shortly after. In this episode, Laura describes the difficulties of being a public defender, what TLC lawyers and other lawyers can do to help their public defenders offices, and how TLC has impacted her practice and life.

Oct 4, 2018

PI Lawyer, Betsy Greene from Bloomington, Indiana is with us today. She has been a lawyer for over 35 years and graduated from TLC in 2005. She joined the faculty in 2010 and has since thus taught the TLC method at regionals, seminars, and TLC’s colleges. Betsy will be on the faculty at the Washington Closing Argument Regional later this month, October 25-28. To work with Betsy, register for the Washington Regional to learn the methods to Win your next case with the Gerry Spence teachings of Closing Argument. You can register on the website at

Aug 23, 2018

We have a very special guest on this episode. Darryl Burton has been coming to the TLC since 2009 to talk to the students about death row and the 24 years he spent in prison as an innocent man. He faced many hardships, worked day in and day out to prove his innocence, and after years of sending letters and teaching himself the ins and outs of the justice system, he got a letter back from an innocence project stating they were going to take his case. His story is truly inspiring.

Darryl is having a Gala, September 8, 2018, at 6:30 pm in Leawood Kansas, for his new organization, The Miracle of Innocence. Our very own Milton Grimes, TLC Faculty, and Board Member will be a keynote speaker at the event. Tickets are available for purchase!

Jul 26, 2018

Today, we are sharing another episode from TLC Faculty Member, Scott Glovsky’s podcast, Trial Lawyer Talk. Scott talks with Daniel Rodriguez about a case that had a profound impact on him, and something that has been a relevant topic in today’s political conversations, school shootings. Daniel describes how he discovered the story by reversing roles with everyone involved and explains how important it was for him to relay the complete relevant story to the jurors. Daniel is a well-known trial lawyer from Bakersfield, California. He founded his firm, Rodriguez & Associates with the primary focus on defending the injured. Daniel joined the TLC faculty in 2009 shortly after his graduation in 2008.

Jun 28, 2018

TLC Faculty Member Greg Reeves talks with Trial Lawyer Talk Host, and TLC Grad, Scott Glovsky about a capital murder case victory after 5 years of being a trial lawyer. Greg believes trial lawyers can learn a lot from comedians in the way they tell their story in front of an audience. Greg also explains how he uses powerful tools to find the universal truth in every case.

May 31, 2018

Eric Fong talks with Trial Lawyer Talk Host, and TLC Grad, Scott Glovsky about a medical malpractice case that had quite an impact on him due to the circumstances of all the problems this case had interwoven into it. He talks about his client and the difficulties he was dealing with after an extended undetermined medical problem and got more difficult when he found out his client had prior felony charges of IV abuse. There was also a magnitude of complications when Eric reached out to other attorneys or ‘friends’ to help with the case. But in the end, a couple weeks before trial, he listened to his heart and went in a different direction than anticipated and got the needed justice for his deserving client.

May 4, 2018

Missy Adrian, TLC Alumni Relations Assistant talks with two of TLC’s Psychodramatists on the importance and impact of using Psychodramatic techniques in the courtroom. Joining Missy in this interview are Mike Traynor and Louise Lipman. TLC's Psychodrama for Lawyers Seminar is June 5-11, 2018. Find out more and how to register your seat at the Trial Lawyers College .org website.

Apr 5, 2018

Today, Kim Savo, a Trial Lawyer's College faculty member interview Trial Lawyer Talk host, and host of many TLC Podcast Episodes, Scott Glovsky. The Trial Lawyer's College is fortunate to have these two attorneys on the faculty team. For many years, they have both had a great dedication to TLC as alumni and faculty members. Get to know TLC's Podcast and Trial Lawyer Talk Host, Scott Glovsky by listening in to this episode.

Mar 8, 2018

Today, Scott Glovsky interviews Corinne Mullen, a 1997 TLC Grad and TLC Faculty Member. She talks about how a recent case had a profound impact on her; how connecting with jurors is a large part of her practice and how it can also have a large impact on the verdict of a case. The biggest lesson Corinne learned from this case was discovering her client's story and connecting with her jurors.

Feb 15, 2018

Scott Glovsky interviews Mel Orchard, managing partner of the Spence Law firm in Wyoming and senior faculty member of the Trial Lawyer’s College. Mel receives a call from a colleague in Minnesota that essentially says this case will likely lose. This case particularly had a profound impact on Mel because it involved prejudice, discrimination, and racism in the workplace, from an urban city in the Midwest, in the ranks of American Corporate Culture.

Jan 18, 2018

We are going to continue sharing our 2007 TLC Graduate and Faculty Member, Scott Glovsky’s interviews with some of TLC’s faculty, board members, and students, hearing their stories and how they continue to bring justice to our nation. Today, Scott interviews Terry Lenamon, a 2011 TLC graduate that has been on the TLC faculty team since 2016. He has taught the last two years at Thunderhead Ranch for In Defense of the Damned Criminal Defense Seminar and will teach again this year. Terry started his career as a public defender in Florida in 1993 and transitioned to death row cases in 1998 and has thus tried 14 cases with no death verdicts. In this interview, Terry expresses how a recent death penalty case involving a young man accused of committing a brutal murder had a profound impact on him.

Sep 21, 2017
Milton Grimes, TLC Vice President and co-leader of the California Regional Seminar on Voir Dire, March 2-4, 2018, talks in detail about what the great lawyers have in common; about racism in America; and how taking action to stand up for what you believe in and speaking with ultimate honesty can free you in the courtroom and win the justice your clients deserve.
Sep 12, 2017

Connie Henderson, a trial lawyer in Washington State and TLC Faculty Co-Leader at the Cross Examination Seminar in Leavenworth WA, talks about the challenges of medical malpractice cases and how to overcome them.

Aug 18, 2017
Eric Fong, TLC faculty Co-leader for the upcoming Cross Examination Seminar, talks about the details of an effective cross examination - the goals, and the how-to's of the trial skill. He then goes into the daily work of a lawyer and the difficult task most lawyers face when it comes to balancing work and personal life, the best ways to spend your time as a lawyer and what holds many attorneys back.
Aug 3, 2017

In this interview, Ron Estefan (TLC '05) Houston-based personal injury trial lawyer and TLC faculty member talks about the importance of credibility in the courtroom. He describes how to build credibility, how to use it -- and how you can lose it -- and how it is essential during Voir Dire and all other interactions with the jury as you fight for justice for your client.

Jul 1, 2017
Zaki Zehawi (TLC '09), San Diego state public defender and TLC faculty member has dedicated his life to criminal defense. In this interview, he talks about some of the most difficult issues that public defenders face, how to work with difficult clients, accountability to yourself, and what are the most essential skills necessary to being the best advocate for your client.
May 25, 2017

Chris Trundy is a Massachusetts trial lawyer and one of the faculty co leaders at the upcoming Psychodrama for Lawyers Seminar. Chris’s  fascination with trial law comes from the creativity and flow of a well told story and how it can help you win. We talk about how you can’t simply imitate the greats and expect to win. We then dive into what you can study in order to create consistent results in the courtroom, how you can tap into your own greatness in the courtroom and what are the subtleties that make the difference in the outcome of a case.

May 16, 2017

Kim Benjamin, trial lawyer and TLC faculty co-leader of the upcoming Psychodrama for Lawyers Seminar, discusses how to gain the trust of clients and how to work with the their families in a way that strengthens your case. She also talks about the fundamental skill of listening and how this can help you in every phase of your trials by better understanding where everyone involved in your case is coming from, including the jury, the prosecution, the judge and your client, and it can give you the edge that will help you win the case.


May 12, 2017

Kathryn St. Clair has been a psychodramatist for 18 years with the Trial Lawyers College. In this interview, with TLC grad Evan Lloyd, Kathryn goes into what psychodrama is, and how it can help lawyers better connect with their clients and juries.


May 1, 2017

Greg Westfall, criminal defense lawyer and TLC faculty member, discusses racism and victim-hood in America, and how it affects your clients, your juries and your law practice.  With these elements in mind, he helps us think about what we can do, as trial lawyers, to better understand our juries.

Apr 24, 2017

Don Malarcik is a criminal defense lawyer who specializes in capital cases. In this podcast, Don talks about dealing with the stress of a criminal defense law practice; the incredible pressure to win client's freedom or in fact, life; and how feeling and modeling compassion and empathy is essential to winning the trial.

Apr 3, 2017

Embracing a hostile juror, getting the jury to engage, using silence as your friend, and finding empathy. These are the skills that matter in a successful voir dire. In this podcast, Paula Estefan, Conroe, TX Trial lawyer and TLC faculty, talks about the importance of listening and how to conduct a successful voir dire.

Mar 28, 2017

Against all odds, and with a platoon of witnesses stacked against his client, TLC Faculty member Colby Vokey, WON. He did it, not by telling his client's story, but by showing it. In order to understand the story, Colby did nearly 100 reenactments with his client and in the process, became so prepared, he was ready for every aspect of the case.  He found a way to tell his client’s story with such life, the whole courtroom was riveted to each word.

Mar 25, 2017

Kent Spence, trial lawyer and long time TLC faculty and board member, talks to us today about moving the legendary Thunderhead Ranch barn, what it was like growing up with Gerry Spence as his father, working together on the Randy Weaver case, the dynamics of working with family, and how the Trial Lawyer’s College has grown over the years.

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