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The Trial Lawyers College Podcast

The Trial Lawyers College Podcast talks to leading attorneys, TLC board members, and faculty about the ideas and the issues that are affecting trial lawyers today. The TLC podcast covers courtroom strategy, communicating with jurors, connecting with clients, methods that drive success, balancing healthy relationships with a busy practice and more.
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Apr 14, 2025

Eric Davis, co-lead for Defense of the Damned at Indiana University - Maurer School of Law and a board member of the Trial Lawyers College, sheds light on the challenges of practicing criminal defense in death penalty cases. Eric explains how the upcoming course focuses on the art of cross-examination and how TLC offers a rare space for transparency and fellowship among defense lawyers who often work in isolation. He also explores the role of psychodrama in enhancing trial skills, emphasizing that the supportive community at TLC empowers practitioners to navigate even the toughest cases.

Apr 7, 2025

Ron Estefan, a member of the Trial Lawyers College Board of Directors, along with Paula Estefan, introduces the upcoming 3-Week College program set for October at Camp Dawson, West Virginia. This immersive training retreat offers individual rooms, individual bathrooms, and provided meals. They discuss the importance of this intensive program for enhancing trial skills, personal practice, relationships, and overall life, urging participants to "go all in" to fully benefit from this unique educational experience.

Mar 31, 2025

Marines Jessica McLaughlin and Brett Dunn gear up for an upcoming trial while attending the week-long Trial Skills Foundation Course at Mo Ranch. In this episode, they compare and contrast the nuances of civilian and military court trials, discussing the strategic importance of understanding witnesses' mindsets through TLC techniques. Jessica and Brett emphasize the need to balance rigorous trial preparation with the flexibility to bring a human touch to their proceedings, ensuring that both direct examinations and cross-examinations are effectively informed and shaped by these insights.

Mar 24, 2025

Scott McCann, a first-time student at the Trial Skills Foundation with TLC, describes his first experience with psychodrama as a protagonist. In this episode, Scott discusses how the process of role reversal and exploring diverse perspectives enriches his understanding of jury dynamics. He delves into how facts, experiences, and varied viewpoints shape juror perceptions and influence their interpretations of case facts, highlighting the transformative power of psychodrama in legal training.

Mar 17, 2025

Allison Mahoney, a first-time attendee at the Trial Skills Foundation Course at Mo Ranch, shares her initial impressions of the Trial Lawyers College and her experiences with psychodrama. In this episode, Allison discusses the rapid pace of the course that uniquely facilitates vulnerability and trust among participants, crucial for deep connections. She also delves into the importance of truly connecting with clients to effectively tell their stories by painting a complete picture of their lives, emphasizing how this approach can transform legal advocacy.

Mar 10, 2025

Patrick McLain, a 2012 TLC graduate, shares his journey through a challenging three-year-long sexual assault case that recently ended in dismissal. In this episode, Patrick recounts specific instances where employing TLC tactics in court led to both setbacks and successes. He provides a candid look at what it means to be on your feet, advocating fiercely in the courtroom, and the lessons learned from when things don’t go as planned and when they triumphantly succeed.

Mar 3, 2025

Ron Estefan, Vice President of the Trial Lawyers College Board of Directors and a 2005 TLC graduate, shares insights from his recent victory in a premises negligence case. This episode dives into how Ron applied TLC methods to navigate lacking conditions and restrictive courtroom environments effectively. Emphasizing a proactive approach, Ron discusses the strategy of "Don't ask, just do," waiting for intervention from opposing counsel or the judge rather than seeking permission. He also gives a brief overview of a powerful listening exercise used in his practice.

Feb 22, 2025

Maren Chaloupka, the current TLC president, and John Sloan, her predecessor, delve into the nuanced TLC approach to advocating for fair compensation in legal settlements and verdicts taught at The Courage to Ask TLC event. They explore the critical process of determining an appropriate sum for clients and discuss the complexities involved in assigning monetary value to invaluable losses. This episode examines the inherent challenges of asking for financial compensation in cases where life is priceless, within our imperfect legal system, emphasizing the need for conviction and strategy in the courtroom.

Feb 17, 2025

Matthew Martin, a 2019 TLC graduate, joins Rafe to discuss his reasons for applying to the TLC program and the impactful first trial he undertook after graduation. Matthew shares how he immediately implemented the methods learned at TLC, focusing on two powerful reenactment stories—one during practice and another in trial—that significantly influenced the outcomes. This episode delves into the transformative impact of TLC's teaching methods, illustrating how they can dramatically enhance legal advocacy.

Feb 10, 2025

Eric Ganci, TLC staff member since 2018, discusses a unique blend of techniques he uses to enhance focus and grounding. In a memorable cross examination session, Eric had a student reverse roles with a client, immersing them fully in the courtroom scenario. Listen as Eric details his experience with working and practicing skills through TLC methods.

Feb 3, 2025

Patricia Anderson provides a comprehensive overview of the Trial Lawyers College's 7-step program, an alternative pathway to graduation. This episode delves into the specifics of the program, outlining the importance and objectives of each step. Patricia explains how these steps are designed to enhance the skills of trial lawyers through personal growth and skill development, ensuring they are well-equipped to advocate with empathy and effectiveness. Tune in to gain insights into this transformative educational journey.

Jan 20, 2025

Learn how Ross LeBlanc, a civil plaintiff attorney and four-time regional TLC attendee, used his trial skills to secure justice in a devastating DWI case involving the loss of a six-year-old child after Thanksgiving 2022. This episode delves into how Ross prepared for the trial alongside the grieving parents, employing the powerful techniques and strategies he honed through his TLC training. Tune in to discover the profound impact of empathetic legal practice and the difference it can make in seeking accountability and closure.

Jan 13, 2025

Ron and Rafe revisit their enriching experiences at Mo Ranch during the TSF course, where they collaborated on cases and refined their trial skills. In this episode, they delve into the highlights of their time together, emphasizing the fantastic opportunities for growth and learning. They also explore the concept of psychodrama, discussing how it enhances the practice of law by demonstrating the truth, rather than just telling it. Tune in to hear how these seasoned professionals use innovative techniques to elevate their legal expertise.

Jan 6, 2025

Join our host, Mark Wagner, as he interviews Rafe Foreman, who shares a moving story from a recent mediation. Rafe recounts how a heartfelt song about grace and forgiveness, sung by his clients, profoundly impacted both him and the opposing counsel. The defendants were so touched that they insisted on joining and listening to the song again, leading to a rare and emotional moment of unity. Tune in to explore the power of empathy and the unexpected ways it can manifest in legal settings.

Dec 30, 2024

John Sloan, the Immediate Past President of TLC, reflects on his pivotal decision to step down and pass the leadership baton. In this heartfelt episode, John discusses the complexities of transitioning from a role he has cherished and how he plans to continue thriving in new endeavors rather than retiring. Tune in to hear John's insights on leadership, change, and the future of TLC under new guidance

Dec 23, 2024

Join John Sloan, Maren Chaloupka, Laura O'Sullivan, and Ron Estefan for some exciting new announcements regarding the TLC board. Listen to hear the legacy and strategic plan for the future of the Trial Lawyers College.

Dec 19, 2024

Mark Wagner, a 2005 TLC graduate and 2015 faculty member from Washington, shares valuable insights on achieving impactful verdicts and the art of being the jury's assistant. In this episode, explore the strategies that lead to significant "not guilty" verdicts and understand how positioning oneself as an ally and guide for the jury can influence the outcome of a trial. Tune in to hear firsthand experiences and practical advice on nurturing trust and credibility in the courtroom.

Nov 25, 2024

Come and listen to Cambry Bristow detail the fantastic work accomplished at the F-Warrior's retreat in Nebraska City, Nebraska. She also foreshadows a coming proposal that will be published in the Warrior magazine detailing the future plans for the Trial Lawyer's College. After listening to Cambry tell about the excellent retreat, you might find yourself regretting that you missed it.

Nov 18, 2024

TLC faculty member since 2016, Thomas Davenport, discusses the importance of communication exercises and tactics that explore the range of human perspectives that impact everything from the classroom and the courtroom. Thomas takes us on an exploratory journey about standing up for others even when it’s tough, developing hobbies that reduce stress, and sharing client’s experiences with authenticity.

Nov 4, 2024

Come and listen to Robin and Dusty tell the story of a man who suffered racial discrimination and hear their strategies and exploits of trying a case in Federal Court that is so rural that the judge doesn't even hold motion hearings in the town where the Federal courthouse is located. See how they overcame their fear of trying a case in a rural, conservative area and gained insights from their experience.

Oct 21, 2024

Come and hear how Mart Harris and Patrick McLain overturned a federal judges ruling granting JNOV at the 5th circuit court of appeals.

Oct 14, 2024

In a remarkable streak of victories, Mark Hartman, a 2019 TLC graduate, secured eight consecutive not guilty verdicts, illustrating the power of connection over persuasion in the courtroom. Listen as Mark details the power of connecting as the messenger instead of forcing jurors to abandon their most deeply held beliefs in the 15 minutes he has with them.

Oct 7, 2024

Jeff Watson, Director of Post Master's Doctor of Nursing Practice program at Texas Tech University's Health Science College, discusses his experience in training nurses on being present for patients including providing a good death experience. Jeff explains how the often called "soft skills" are more accurately called essential skills like compassion and empathy. "We're all just walking each other home".

Sep 30, 2024

Join Eli Heller, a recent TLC graduate from 2023, as he details his journey from heartbreaking loss to a recent trial victory after deepening his understanding of openness in the courtroom. Eli describes how he created genuine connections broke down barriers between him, his client, and the jurors.

Sep 23, 2024

Patricia Anderson, a 7 stepper graduate of TLC, details her experiences with avoiding burnout by having fun, unplugging, and keeping things simple in her off time. Patricia shares personal strategies for taking care of oneself, having fun, and avoiding burnout—all while staying authentic. From cultivating hobbies to talking to tomato plants and chicken eggs, she discusses how these practices help sustain her energy and enthusiasm. Tune in to discover how creating a nurturing home base and embracing simple pleasures can lead to a more fulfilled and resilient professional life.

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