In this interview, we have a very special guest joining, Missouri Public Defender Laura O'Sullivan. Laura attended her first TLC course in 1998 and came back in 2009 for In Defense of the Damned, TLC's criminal defense program, and joined the faculty shortly after. In this episode, Laura describes the difficulties of being a public defender, what TLC lawyers and other lawyers can do to help their public defenders offices, and how TLC has impacted her practice and life.

PI Lawyer, Betsy Greene from Bloomington, Indiana is with us today. She has been a lawyer for over 35 years and graduated from TLC in 2005. She joined the faculty in 2010 and has since thus taught the TLC method at regionals, seminars, and TLC’s colleges. Betsy will be on the faculty at the Washington Closing Argument Regional later this month, October 25-28. To work with Betsy, register for the Washington Regional to learn the methods to Win your next case with the Gerry Spence teachings of Closing Argument. You can register on the website at www.triallawyerscollege.org.